tulpamancy practices can sort of help me get a handle on it in a way thats not just being sick and dissociating essentially. i do think some of it has to do with dissocation but its like.. more controlled i dunno
12:12 PM
only a handful of us have started completely as tulpas
maybe it helps you stick with a set number of personalities and neurologically that makes things more stable
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tulpamancy practices can sort of help me get a handle on it in a way thats not just being sick and dissociating essentially. i do think some of it has to do with dissocation but its like.. more controlled i dunno
this could also make sense but new ones seem to constantly be coming up which is why i loop back to the personification playing into it because they tend to just hold one thing like a memory or appreciation for somthing
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it can be but it also can not be. idk your situation or anything much so idk if living as plural may benefit you or not
i think its the best i can do for myself because it makes me happy and it also uses a lot of the things i did alot to escape as a kid such as daydreaming and talking to myself and whatnot
12:22 PM
but now its in a way that acknowledges the world exists and all that stuff happened
if you really think about who you are, you are essentially just the way you think, the history/story of yourself and how you rea...
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in my oponion it goes deeper than this…
what you are is what you choose or believe to be
you can be the way you think your biography
but it can also be none of it, in tulpamancy it can be lore of everything you came up with for your tulpas
it’s using same mechanisms that are part of socialising when you learn from others who you are
so i think the “who you are” is in the context, the above is in the social context
but it doesn’t mean that is what you are in any objective way
1:31 PM
with meditation you can see how all of that is fluid
1:31 PM
tulpamancy and any plurality is playing with that context
1:34 PM
when you play enough with the fluidity you start appreciating the seemingly paradoxical things that come up
you are all of thoer things, but also not
you are multiple people, but also not
your thoughts are you, but also not
and because your thoughts come out of nowhere its really just random noise ""you"" can pick from, but you dont really have any choice in what you become if that makes sense(edited)
1:35 PM
since its all deterministic (at least i think it is)
1:35 PM
if everything is predetermined, you can't blame anyone in the sense people usually blame (them having some sort of magical "free will" to do bad things)
1:36 PM
you can still and should influence and be influenced by others to some degree so everyone just dont go killing each other
there is a way you can approach other people which can seem contradictory to some people or to be something impossible to them
1:37 PM
when someone is full of resentment and anger to people that hurt them it’s very hard to see past those emotions
1:38 PM
but when you do your own self growth you see that we are not enemies of other people, some people were just unlucky to have been affected in a way that hurt you
1:39 PM
there comes a lot of compassion that helps with that hard emotions, none of that erases what the person did or excuses them
1:39 PM
but at that point you see it just as a part of your past, a fact that happened
i used to be super depressed over free will stuff years ago but when you shift your thinking to be a bit more positive the whole thing flips around and you realize that its actually a good thing
i personally think that when it comes to free will there are a lot of aspects that are automatic and out of free will
there is a way of detaching from those things and accessing a state of mind that makes you able to observe how those automatic things, instinctual or learned from others, happen
in that state you feel “am i experiencing free will now?” but it also doesn’t matter to you and you see value in this part of your mind that has no free will, you see why it’s there and why it’s important
interestingly people describe that experience in similar ways and come to the same conclusions
1:52 PM
so if there is free will i would say it exists in that state of mind
1:52 PM
but is it really free will? i don’t know! i just try to enjoy it
I mean I got to a point where I was like.. if I am going to get any results im going to need to believe in this fully, which felt counterproductive to my life so I stopped
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You don't have to make a headmate, but this is not true. Suspending your belief also works.
That it's counterproductive to your life, that's a perfectly fine reason to not practice
Even stuff like 'ooh what does switching feel like' is fascinating to me and it's probably pretty mundane to anyone used to it
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It wasn't mundane for us for awhile, it took several months for Ranger to figure out our switching.
When I switch out, I feel like I became a program in the mind. The body is still feeling things with the 5 senses normally, but this time it was Ranger who would react to them, not me. I felt reduced, but I truly became one of my headmates because I could be forgotten about and go inactive
When we switch, nothing weird happens to our vision and we don't feel anything weird going on. It reminds me of that time when I dozed off while not trying to, but I wasn't completely asleep. I then "woke up", but I remembered the dream and felt awake the whole time. I then had this feeling it was all a dream, like my brain decided out of the blue. Switching might be like that, the brain just decides. We switched with our eyes open once while watching for a bus and it did feel as dramatic as that experience. However, usually it's not that jarring(edited)
A long kiss goodnight
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You don't have to make a headmate, but this is not true. Suspending your belief also works.
That it's counterproductive to your life, that's a perfectly fine reason to not practice
I'm used to talking about hypnosis where 'belief' and 'suspension of disbelief' become very blurred together lol
3:18 PM
Maybe at some point I'll reconsider making a tulpa! It definitely seems like a fascinating way to understand your own mind better and all around very cool
I'm used to talking about hypnosis where 'belief' and 'suspension of disbelief' become very blurred together lol
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Hmm, we're well aware that our practice with suggestion is bullshit and yet it seems to work fine anyhow
3:22 PM
For instance, we have a lot of symbolism to measure our feelings, and more recently I have a new clone that can help us in an unusual way. It's clearly caused by suggestion, but it seems to work
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I'm used to talking about hypnosis where 'belief' and 'suspension of disbelief' become very blurred together lol
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Hmm, we're well aware that our practice with suggestion is bullshit and yet it seems to work fine anyhow
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